association with the wise (sat-sanga)
Q: You say that association with the wise (sat-sanga) and service of them is required of the disciple.
A: Yes, the first really means association with the unmanifest sat or absolute existence, but as very few can do that, they have to take second best which is association with the manifest sat, that is, the Guru. Association with sages should be made because thoughts are so persistent. The sage has already overcome the mind and remains in peace. Being in his proximity helps to bring about this condition in others, otherwise there is no meaning in seeking his company. The Guru provides the needed strength for this, unseen for others. Service is primarily to abide in the Self, but it also includes making the Guru's body comfortable and looking after his place of abode. Contact with the Guru is also necessary, but this means spiritual contact. If the disciple finds the Guru internally, then it does not matter where he goes. Staying here or elsewhere must be understood to be the same and to have the same effect.
Q: My profession requires me to stay near my place of work. I cannot remain in the vicinity of sadhus. Can I have realisation even in the absence of sat-sanga?
A: Sat is aham pratyaya saram, the Self of selves. The sadhu is that Self of selves. He is immanent in all. Can anyone remain without the Self? No. So no one is away from sat-sanga.
Q: Is proximity to the Guru helpful?
A: Do you mean physical proximity? What is the good of it? The mind alone matters. The mind must be contacted. Sat-sanga will made the mind sink into the Heart. Such association is both mental and physical. The extremely visible being of the Guru pushes the mind inward. He is also in the Heart of the seeker and so he draws the latter's inward-bent mind into the Heart.
Q: All that I want to know is whether sat-sanga is necessary and whether my coming here will help me or not.
A: First you must decide what is sat-sanga. It means association with sat or reality. One who knows or has realised sat is also regarded as sat. Such association with sat or with one who knows sat is absolutely necessary for all. Sankara has said that in all the three worlds there is no boat like sat-sanga to carry one safely accross the ocean of births and deaths.
Sat-sanga means sanga (association) with sat. Sat is only the Self. Since the Self is not now understood to be sat, the company of the sage who has thus understood it is sought. That is sat-sanga. Introversion results. Then sat is revealed.
Ich liebe Shri Ramana Maharshi für seine klaren Worte... :-D
aus
Be as you are
The teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi
edited by David Godman
a Penguin Book
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A: Yes, the first really means association with the unmanifest sat or absolute existence, but as very few can do that, they have to take second best which is association with the manifest sat, that is, the Guru. Association with sages should be made because thoughts are so persistent. The sage has already overcome the mind and remains in peace. Being in his proximity helps to bring about this condition in others, otherwise there is no meaning in seeking his company. The Guru provides the needed strength for this, unseen for others. Service is primarily to abide in the Self, but it also includes making the Guru's body comfortable and looking after his place of abode. Contact with the Guru is also necessary, but this means spiritual contact. If the disciple finds the Guru internally, then it does not matter where he goes. Staying here or elsewhere must be understood to be the same and to have the same effect.
Q: My profession requires me to stay near my place of work. I cannot remain in the vicinity of sadhus. Can I have realisation even in the absence of sat-sanga?
A: Sat is aham pratyaya saram, the Self of selves. The sadhu is that Self of selves. He is immanent in all. Can anyone remain without the Self? No. So no one is away from sat-sanga.
Q: Is proximity to the Guru helpful?
A: Do you mean physical proximity? What is the good of it? The mind alone matters. The mind must be contacted. Sat-sanga will made the mind sink into the Heart. Such association is both mental and physical. The extremely visible being of the Guru pushes the mind inward. He is also in the Heart of the seeker and so he draws the latter's inward-bent mind into the Heart.
Q: All that I want to know is whether sat-sanga is necessary and whether my coming here will help me or not.
A: First you must decide what is sat-sanga. It means association with sat or reality. One who knows or has realised sat is also regarded as sat. Such association with sat or with one who knows sat is absolutely necessary for all. Sankara has said that in all the three worlds there is no boat like sat-sanga to carry one safely accross the ocean of births and deaths.
Sat-sanga means sanga (association) with sat. Sat is only the Self. Since the Self is not now understood to be sat, the company of the sage who has thus understood it is sought. That is sat-sanga. Introversion results. Then sat is revealed.
Ich liebe Shri Ramana Maharshi für seine klaren Worte... :-D
aus
Be as you are
The teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi
edited by David Godman
a Penguin Book
Korsischer WolkenDelphin...
Belleeer - 2010-03-13 19:00
